How can I happily study architecture?

Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?

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architect  πŸ“… 18.12.2013 22:34:31
Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
Hello,

I'm doing my Abitur next year and I'm very interested in architecture (great rhyme ) I have already dealt very intensively with my choice of studies - architecture - but I am still very undecided whether this is really the right thing for me.

I have already talked to an architect / professor for architecture and he recommended three universities to me - RWTH Aachen, Uni Stuttgart and TU Munich.

I used that as a guide, but I still can't decide which of these three universities is right for me. Perhaps someone can tell you something about one or the other (above) university and the architecture course at one of these universities. What are the differences (in architecture) between the three universities?

However, I am currently declining to study architecture. Two main reasons why I don't want to study architecture.
On the one hand, such a course should be very cost-intensive because of all the material costs, etc.
On the other hand, the labor market situation (at least in Germany) for architects and in general in the construction industry is very bad.
Perhaps someone can tell you something about these two reasons I have listed here.

I am grateful for any reply!
Dene  πŸ“… 19.12.2013 16:30:58
Re: Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
Keep your hands off the architecture. Both points are definitely true. Very expensive study due to all the materials you need for your drafts and job prospects really bad, or at a salary where you really ask yourself why you have studied at all. The course is interesting without question, but if money and adequate pay are not completely unimportant, then it is better to keep your distance.

Take a look at the HIS graduate survey, which will certainly help you choose your course of study, at least in terms of finance.
ToyTroll  πŸ“… 21.12.2013 13:33:29
Re: Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
That's all generalized again.
If you go after that and after the development on the labor market, you should or should not study ANYTHING MORE, because studying today is no guarantee for a job and certainly not a guarantee for decent money. Of course, there are still areas that have long been infested, but (still) bring with them a higher level of security.

Problem: we are developing into an academic society and economy that simply cannot sustain the number of graduates. Due to the open borders and the opportunity to work abroad, only a few people flow abroad due to the poor salaries and rather a large number of them from abroad to Germany. All of this leads to a breakdown over time.
And yet, in my opinion, a good 70% of all students study according to their interests and not with the aim of chasing big money.
As a result, I would not advise against the job directly despite the (on average) poor pay. Abroad, architects are more respected than civil engineers, and the pay is higher. But even in this country, one or the other architect manages to successfully become self-employed, but also to get involved in certain companies with good money, and with a developed image the prospects of success and money increase.

It's not that easy. In general, one would advise against it if one explicitly depends on pay and career opportunities. But then a good 1-1.5 of the 2.5 million students would have to give up their studies and study here, the oh so highly praised mechanical engineering or electrical engineering. "One earns better there and has less to work" said the jealous hammel.
Tom81  πŸ“… 21.12.2013 17:09:51
Re: Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
ToyTroll wrote:
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> That's all generalized again.

What is generalized here? Studying is definitely expensive and the job opportunities are definitely poor. That doesn't mean that there aren't any good jobs, but basically the prospects are poor (also called the general economic climate). Likewise, someone wins the lottery every now and then, but the chances of winning are poor.

> If you go after and after the development
> the job market, so one should or should GAR
> DO NOT STUDY ANYTHING MORE, because studying is
> Nowadays no guarantee of a job and only
> no guarantee for a lot of money.

So suicide then? There is no guarantee for anything in life. But you can still use probabilities as a guide. Those who are only interested in architecture should do so. For example, anyone who can imagine being happy in administration has a much higher chance of getting a good job and should therefore go there. I don't know how old you are, but at some point you will find that life costs money. Apartment, (small) car, sometimes a vacation, tuition for possibly children, dentist, sometimes going to the restaurant ... none of this is possible if you have a shitty job. And believe me, you will not be happy with the most beautiful job if you have to turn every penny. But in your early 30s this insight comes too late.

> Of course there are still areas that
> are infested long ago, but (still) one
> bring greater security to them.
>

> Architects are more respected abroad
> As civil engineers, the pay is higher.

Well, you have to show me the country.

> But so
> In this country, one or the other creates
> Architect to successfully become self-employed
> but also in certain companies with good money
> rise, and rise with a developed image
> the prospects for success and money.
>

One of how many? You also have to keep in mind that today's established architects grew in a phase of the building boom. Today we have the opposite situation.

> It's not that easy. Generally one would like it
> advise against going explicitly after paying
> and job opportunities. But then it would have to be good
> 1-1.5 of the 2.5 million students completed their studies
> lay down and here, the oh so highly praised
> Study mechanical engineering or electrical engineering.

As I said, if you can't imagine anything but architecture, you should do it. But if you still have alternatives, you should urgently examine them.



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ToyTroll  πŸ“… 21.12.2013 20:26:13
Re: Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
> What is the generalized here? Studying is definitely expensive, and the job opportunities are there
> definitely lousy. That doesn't mean that there aren't also good jobs, but they are fundamental
> The prospects are poor (also called the general economic weather situation). Likewise wins
> every now and then someone at the lottery, but the chances of winning are still poor.

The course is not expensive, probably more expensive than a normal course; like that of an engineer, for example. There are certainly courses that are significantly more expensive. As a result, this property (alone) should not be a matter of decision. Everything else is definitely correct, the prospects are not so rosy and should definitely be considered, but the chances for a job and salaries are significantly greater than with some other courses (and the lottery ;-))
The accusation of superficiality came about in such a way that other professions or courses of study are never addressed here, but the interested parties and students are downright demoralized with massive "envious waves" and indirect insults.

> But you can still use probabilities as a guide. Who is the only one
> If you are interested in architecture, you should do so. For example, if you can also imagine, in the
> Being happy administration has a much higher probability of getting a good job and should therefore go there. I don't know how old you are, but
> At some point you will find that life costs money. Apartment, (small)
> Car, sometimes a vacation, tuition for possibly children, dentist, sometimes to the restaurant
> go ... everything is not possible if you have a shitty job. And believe me you
> You won't be happy with the most beautiful job if you turn every penny
> have to. But in your early 30s this insight comes too late.

Of course, it is important to consider certain probabilities and I think it's really good that you don't attack directly, but also respond to personal preferences and, in the case of existing preferences, also give in.

And again, I find your view or this money-related view exaggerated, because I have to willy-nilly on the numbers with the many hundreds of thousands of students in the unprofitable or less profitable courses, but also on your statement "There is no guarantee for anything in life "To fall back on.
The question of what is really profitable and, above all, how long something is profitably popular cannot simply be answered as many users put it here. These do not give in in the slightest. Construction is sh ... period, off. You can say what you want there; Insight is zero, positive experiences are a lie, different salaries and working hours are also a lie, every proponent is a lobbyist.
Only mechanical engineering is the ultimate, risk-free and with a 100% guarantee.
Do you really think that a black painter would ever believe me my starting salary, probably not and if I would address my buddy, then "good night".

> Well, you have to show me the country.
Just for fun. The common German people, for example, most of them don't even know that you can study civil engineering.
When it comes to countries. Then America or USA and Brazil is architecture-determining. Parts of Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia as well.

> One of how many? Also, you have to keep in mind that the established ones today
> Architects grew in a phase of the building boom. Today we have them
> opposite situation.

I have to say that we have had quite a few architectural firms lately. Seems to be going, especially in the area of ​​monument protection and renovation, villas and other precious objects.
I am currently working as a civil engineer in an "such" architecture / engineering office (cooperative to master's degree).
O.M.G.  πŸ“… 23.12.2013 14:26:45
Re: Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
It would be nice if people like ToyTroll, who have little idea (... am doing my master's degree) but have an enormous urge for recognition, could hold the ball flat and not spread so much bullshit.

Why North America, Brazil and "parts of Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia" should determine the architecture, one should perhaps explain in more detail. Don't just enumerate half the globe, add the little word "parts of it" and then make an important thing.

Otherwise, the articles from Toy Troll seem to me as if someone has a huge need to communicate, but has neither the appropriate audience in the real world nor adequate knowledge. Fortunately, there is the Internet with its numerous forums for such cases.
ToyTroll  πŸ“… 23.12.2013 18:41:13
Re: Would you like to study architecture? - Where? -Focal points?
> It would be nice if people like ToyTroll, who have little idea (... am doing
> my master's) but have an enormous urge to gain recognition sometimes with the ball
> Keep flat and not do so much bullshit.

O.M.G You seem to have a real plan of the matter. You can bring your knowledge closer to us and enlighten us; what the real world really looks like. Because I count bullshit in your eyes and trudge cluelessly and haphazardly through the world.

What does the fact that, out of a thirst for knowledge and education, have to do with a master’s degree, with my accumulated experience and the estimates written here. What I study or plan in the field of education should not be relevant but the search and request for objectivity, because objectivity of the general market situation (not just construction) and the development is out of place here.
What can be found here are blind people / black painters like you; they try to give their meaningless existence a meaning by attacking everyone and everything whose comments deviate from their own point of view and possibly their own way of life, which one is used to.

As far as architecture is concerned, not only the naming and enumeration of half the "globe" corresponds to the reputation of a profession in the minds of the people living there. I am amazed that you, as an omniscient, have so little knowledge of other countries and cultures. If you can travel around a bit, maybe take a semester abroad, work abroad for a few years, then the realization that we are not the ultimate in academics will open your eyes. Probably a demoralizing finding for those egomaniacs who cleverly devalue everything else - which cannot be assigned to engineering.

But one looks in vain for understanding and comparisons with all academics in the forums.
O.M.G.  πŸ“… 25.12.2013 14:23:26